08:58:55 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "no can i get record..." Hi Ahmed, we are recording the presentations for the speakers that wish to be recorded, and the recordings they will be posted after the conference 08:59:47 From Ahmed Metwally : Replying to "no can i get record..." thank you 09:00:22 From Matyas Selmeci : Are folks hearing audio now? 09:00:27 From Amy Apon (NSF) : Reacted to "Are folks hearing au..." with 👍 09:00:27 From Ashton Graves : Yes 09:00:28 From Cort Posnansky : Reacted to "Are folks hearing au..." with 👍 09:00:30 From Zach McGrew : Reacted to "Are folks hearing au..." with 👍 09:00:36 From Taylor Lee : No 09:00:40 From Namratha Urs : Reacted to "Are folks hearing au..." with 👍 09:00:43 From Sisay Teka : yes 09:00:47 From David Plonka - WiscNet : Reacted to "Are folks hearing au..." with 👍 09:01:06 From Bert DeKnuydt : No ...No sound here. 09:02:19 From Cole Bollig : I have sound 09:02:42 From Taylor Lee : I rejoined and have audio now. 09:02:50 From Matyas Selmeci : Reacted to "I rejoined and have ..." with 👍🏻 09:02:50 From Cort Posnansky : Reacted to "I have sound" with 👋 09:02:56 From Cole Bollig : Reacted to "I rejoined and have ..." with 👍🏻 09:02:59 From Cole Bollig : Reacted to "I have sound" with 👋 09:05:46 From Matyas Selmeci : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 09:06:39 From Matthew West : Heartbroken that i couldn't be there in person. Can someone please bring a stick or two to PEARC for us dHTC folks who couldn't make it? 09:07:02 From Ashton Graves : @Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A” 09:10:46 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it s..." Hm. It said it was enabled. Well, I turned it off and on again -- can you try again? 09:11:10 From Ashton Graves : Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it s..." There it goes 09:11:20 From Ashton Graves : Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it s..." It’s good now thanks 🙂 09:11:28 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it s..." Aha. There was a separate checkbox for allowing participants to ask questions 09:11:36 From Matyas Selmeci : Reacted to "It’s good now thanks..." with 👍🏻 09:29:21 From Sisay Teka : Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one party (the consumer) may be cureless and can't justify what the giant part (the producer) do. So, the consumer may merely depend on the producer. So, what ethical guidelines safeguards the consumer? 09:29:52 From Matthew West : Replying to "Trust relationship i..." May be clueless* ? 09:30:56 From Sisay Teka : Replying to "Trust relationship i..." sure. sorry for typo error 09:31:59 From Matthew West : Replying to "Trust relationship i..." Just wanted to make sure I was reading your statement/question correctly. 09:33:13 From Matthew West : Replying to "Trust relationship i..." Cause its a VERY good question, especially when considering new users to our systems. 09:34:02 From Sisay Teka : Replying to "Trust relationship i..." You got it. 09:37:36 From Taylor Lee : Will ARM replace X86? 09:37:44 From Taylor Lee : On the OSG? 09:38:06 From Matthew West : One question from me: - Does the facilitation team generated any training materials for spinning up similar teams on other campus? 09:38:30 From Matthew West : Or at least, a set of best practices. 09:40:40 From Thomas Hartmann : Question: have might a feedback channel look like for users? I.e., how can a system administrator let a user know, that they are handling the infrastructure "correctly? 09:41:55 From Thomas Hartmann : Replying to "Question: have might..." from my PoV the thing is, that a user does not has a chance to know, if they are screwing up infrastructure like storage (IOps-wise), the cluster (hammering the colelctor with short jobs),... 09:42:48 From Thomas Hartmann : Replying to "Question: have might..." i.e., I would love to have another knob to tune for the users, so that they have an own incentive to behave "good" wrt the infrastructure 09:43:09 From plthomas : Do you offer support for students 09:44:10 From Matthew West : Replying to "One question from me..." I figured it was one of the those things like "we would like to do that BUT busy". 09:45:28 From Cole Bollig : Replying to "On the OSG?" I don’t believe all x86 will be replaced, but that is an interesting case since the OSPool has resources provided from many organizations (who I think get to decide which resources to contribute) 09:47:29 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "Question: have might..." If a user is causing issues on the cluster, the sysadmin will inform the facilitator and the facilitator will inform the user. If it's especially bad, they'll put the jobs on hold and/or block the account until the user responds. 09:47:45 From Taylor Lee : Replying to "On the OSG?" So Apple has gone all the way to ARM, correct? Did that create difficulties for getting researchers to get their Mac workflows going on HTCondor which is mainly x86? 09:47:49 From Matthew West : https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/contributions/34150/attachments/10325/13256/Wuerthwein-PDF-HTC25.pdf link to frank's talk that with the images not all rotated 90deg 09:48:17 From Thomas Hartmann : Replying to "Question: have might..." imho that does not scale 09:49:09 From Cole Bollig : Replying to "Do you offer support..." From the presenter: “Students need to have an instructor or research advisor to use OSPool, we don’t just take random student.” 09:49:22 From Thomas Hartmann : Replying to "Question: have might..." when you you burn IOps in AWS, your credit card as feedback device will burn as well, but in our clusters, I do not think that we have such feedback mechanisms 09:49:23 From Matthew West : Reacted to "From the presenter: ..." with 👍 09:51:21 From Thomas Hartmann : Replying to "On the OSG?" Zen 5 seem to be energy-wise pretty on par again with ARMs 09:51:43 From Cole Bollig : Replying to "On the OSG?" I do believe you are correct that Mac is all ARM nowadays… but I am not sure what impact that has had for a Mac user attempting to use the OSPool 09:55:42 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:04:51 From plthomas : GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space race? 10:06:11 From Matthew West : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." Part of that will require teaching/training users to understand that there isn't an unlimited free set of resources. 10:08:57 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." True, although it's hard to combine that message with the exhortation that people should 'think bigger' about their science -- about what they can do if they had more capacity. 10:10:44 From Matyas Selmeci : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." Unused resources are wasted resources -- it's important that HTCondor makes sure that everybody gets their fair share 10:11:46 From Matthew West : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." Some of it is a matter of "you don't get it immediately when you want it" unlike if you had a workstation sitting on your desk. But that is a core "working on shared resources" problem, not just for dHTC, though maybe more so because of the sharing across institutions aspect. 10:14:35 From plthomas : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." Availability = Usability comes to mind, but I was more talking about amount of high end GPU requirements required in AI research. 10:14:54 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:18:16 From Matthew West : Replying to "GPU demand verses co..." On the "requirements", I honestly don't trust a lot of the requests we get locally, given what we see regarding either GPU compute or memory utilization. Also, at a certain point, OSPool isn't for running 1000 GPU production model training, so there will have to be some automated restrictions on resource requests. 10:22:58 From Amy Apon (NSF) : Nice talk! If I want to share a dataset using OSDF what are the steps I must take? 10:26:00 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:26:34 From David Plonka - WiscNet : There is significant recent concern in the community about the increased scraping web content ostensibly for AI. e.g.: https://www.theverge.com/news/650467/wikipedia-kaggle-partnership-ai-dataset-machine-learning This is something we’re looking into in the IETF, possibly having a session about the problem (of increased web scraping, disregarding norms, like “robots.txt”) at an upcoming IETF meeting, perhaps July in Madrid. 10:28:28 From Amy Apon (NSF) : Thank you, Brian! 10:28:56 From Matyas Selmeci : We’re currently on a scheduled break and the next talk will begin at 10:50 AM CST (~25 minutes from now). 10:33:48 From Matthew West : Reacted to "There is significant..." with 💯 10:34:26 From Matthew West : Replying to "There is significant..." Glad there are folks within this sphere taking these sort of issues seriously. 10:49:45 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:57:54 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 11:12:48 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 11:29:15 From Taylor Lee : Are you currently only using genomes that can be cultured? How do you assemble genomes if they can't be isolated in a plate? 11:31:44 From William N Swanson : Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 12:24:33 From Matthew West : this is so clever, design wise