08:50:01 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: Really looking forward to Jason Kwan this afternoon. 08:51:03 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: Is anyone getting audio yet? 08:51:16 From Kevin Weiss to Everyone: I am not 08:52:06 From Ahmed Metwally to Everyone: no can i get record permission 08:58:55 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "no can i get record permission": Hi Ahmed, we are recording the presentations for the speakers that wish to be recorded, and the recordings they will be posted after the conference 08:59:47 From Ahmed Metwally to Everyone: Replying to "no can i get record permission": thank you 09:00:22 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Are folks hearing audio now? 09:00:27 From Ashton Graves to Everyone: Yes 09:00:37 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: No 09:00:44 From Sisay Teka to Everyone: yes 09:01:07 From Bert DeKnuydt to Everyone: No ...No sound here. 09:02:19 From Cole Bollig to Everyone: I have sound 09:02:43 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: I rejoined and have audio now. 09:05:47 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 09:06:40 From Matthew West to Everyone: Heartbroken that i couldn't be there in person. Can someone please bring a stick or two to PEARC for us dHTC folks who couldn't make it? 09:07:03 From Ashton Graves to Everyone: @Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A” 09:10:46 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A”": Hm. It said it was enabled. Well, I turned it off and on again -- can you try again? 09:11:10 From Ashton Graves to Everyone: Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A”": There it goes 09:11:21 From Ashton Graves to Everyone: Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A”": It’s good now thanks 🙂 09:11:29 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "@Matyas Selmeci it says “Host has turned off Q&A”": Aha. There was a separate checkbox for allowing participants to ask questions 09:29:22 From Sisay Teka to Everyone: Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one party (the consumer) may be cureless and can't justify what the giant part (the producer) do. So, the consumer may merely depend on the producer. So, what ethical guidelines safeguards the consumer? 09:29:52 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one ...": May be clueless* ? 09:30:57 From Sisay Teka to Everyone: Replying to "Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one ...": sure. sorry for typo error 09:32:00 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one ...": Just wanted to make sure I was reading your statement/question correctly. 09:33:13 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one ...": Cause its a VERY good question, especially when considering new users to our systems. 09:34:03 From Sisay Teka to Everyone: Replying to "Trust relationship is mutual. But, sometimes, one ...": You got it. 09:37:37 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: Will ARM replace X86? 09:37:45 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: On the OSG? 09:38:07 From Matthew West to Everyone: One question from me: - Does the facilitation team generated any training materials for spinning up similar teams on other campus? 09:38:30 From Matthew West to Everyone: Or at least, a set of best practices. 09:40:40 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Question: have might a feedback channel look like for users? I.e., how can a system administrator let a user know, that they are handling the infrastructure "correctly? 09:41:56 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Replying to "Question: have might a feedback channel look like ...": from my PoV the thing is, that a user does not has a chance to know, if they are screwing up infrastructure like storage (IOps-wise), the cluster (hammering the colelctor with short jobs),... 09:42:49 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Replying to "Question: have might a feedback channel look like ...": i.e., I would love to have another knob to tune for the users, so that they have an own incentive to behave "good" wrt the infrastructure 09:43:10 From plthomas to Everyone: Do you offer support for students 09:44:11 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "One question from me: - Does the facilitation team...": I figured it was one of the those things like "we would like to do that BUT busy". 09:45:28 From Cole Bollig to Everyone: Replying to "On the OSG?": I don’t believe all x86 will be replaced, but that is an interesting case since the OSPool has resources provided from many organizations (who I think get to decide which resources to contribute) 09:47:30 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "Question: have might a feedback channel look like ...": If a user is causing issues on the cluster, the sysadmin will inform the facilitator and the facilitator will inform the user. If it's especially bad, they'll put the jobs on hold and/or block the account until the user responds. 09:47:46 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: Replying to "On the OSG?": So Apple has gone all the way to ARM, correct? Did that create difficulties for getting researchers to get their Mac workflows going on HTCondor which is mainly x86? 09:47:49 From Matthew West to Everyone: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/contributions/34150/attachments/10325/13256/Wuerthwein-PDF-HTC25.pdf link to frank's talk that with the images not all rotated 90deg 09:48:17 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Replying to "Question: have might a feedback channel look like ...": imho that does not scale 09:49:09 From Cole Bollig to Everyone: Replying to "Do you offer support for students": From the presenter: “Students need to have an instructor or research advisor to use OSPool, we don’t just take random student.” 09:49:23 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Replying to "Question: have might a feedback channel look like ...": when you you burn IOps in AWS, your credit card as feedback device will burn as well, but in our clusters, I do not think that we have such feedback mechanisms 09:51:21 From Thomas Hartmann to Everyone: Replying to "On the OSG?": Zen 5 seem to be energy-wise pretty on par again with ARMs 09:51:44 From Cole Bollig to Everyone: Replying to "On the OSG?": I do believe you are correct that Mac is all ARM nowadays… but I am not sure what impact that has had for a Mac user attempting to use the OSPool 09:55:42 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:04:51 From plthomas to Everyone: GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space race? 10:06:11 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": Part of that will require teaching/training users to understand that there isn't an unlimited free set of resources. 10:08:58 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": True, although it's hard to combine that message with the exhortation that people should 'think bigger' about their science -- about what they can do if they had more capacity. 10:10:44 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": Unused resources are wasted resources -- it's important that HTCondor makes sure that everybody gets their fair share 10:11:46 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": Some of it is a matter of "you don't get it immediately when you want it" unlike if you had a workstation sitting on your desk. But that is a core "working on shared resources" problem, not just for dHTC, though maybe more so because of the sharing across institutions aspect. 10:14:36 From plthomas to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": Availability = Usability comes to mind, but I was more talking about amount of high end GPU requirements required in AI research. 10:14:54 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:18:17 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "GPU demand verses cost and availability. Space ra...": On the "requirements", I honestly don't trust a lot of the requests we get locally, given what we see regarding either GPU compute or memory utilization. Also, at a certain point, OSPool isn't for running 1000 GPU production model training, so there will have to be some automated restrictions on resource requests. 10:22:59 From Amy Apon (NSF) to Everyone: Nice talk! If I want to share a dataset using OSDF what are the steps I must take? 10:26:00 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:26:35 From David Plonka - WiscNet to Everyone: There is significant recent concern in the community about the increased scraping web content ostensibly for AI. e.g.: https://www.theverge.com/news/650467/wikipedia-kaggle-partnership-ai-dataset-machine-learning This is something we’re looking into in the IETF, possibly having a session about the problem (of increased web scraping, disregarding norms, like “robots.txt”) at an upcoming IETF meeting, perhaps July in Madrid. 10:28:29 From Amy Apon (NSF) to Everyone: Thank you, Brian! 10:28:57 From Matyas Selmeci to Everyone: We’re currently on a scheduled break and the next talk will begin at 10:50 AM CST (~25 minutes from now). 10:34:27 From Matthew West to Everyone: Replying to "There is significant recent concern in the communi...": Glad there are folks within this sphere taking these sort of issues seriously. 10:49:45 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 10:57:55 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 11:12:49 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 11:29:16 From Taylor Lee to Everyone: Are you currently only using genomes that can be cultured? How do you assemble genomes if they can't be isolated in a plate? 11:31:44 From William N Swanson to Waiting room participants: Hello and welcome to HTC25! We are so glad you have chosen to join. Remote registration is free, but required. We ask that you register if you have not already. We also ask that your name as shown in Zoom matches the name you used for registration. If you still need to register, do so here: https://agenda.hep.wisc.edu/event/2297/registrations/261/ Attending this event means you agree to abide by the OSG Code of Conduct. Review the code of conduct here: https://osg-htc.org/code-of-conduct. Those that do not follow this code of conduct are subject to removal. Please use the Zoom Q&A feature to pose questions during talks. We will ask the questions on your behalf after in-person questions have been answered. 12:24:34 From Matthew West to Everyone: this is so clever, design wise